0001 1 TRUSTEES MEETING 2 JEFFERSON TOWNSHIP 3 * * * 4 TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS 5 * * * 6 DATE OF HEARING: Tuesday, July 6, 2004 Beginning at 7:00 o'clock p.m. 7 PLACE OF HEARING: One Business Park Drive 8 Dayton, Ohio 45427 9 TRUSTEE BOARD: Brice Sims (absent) Angela Jones 10 Jerry Walker Allen Elijah, Clerk 11 ALSO PRESENT: Robert Bradley 12 * * * 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 0002 1 MR. ELIJAH: I'd like to call the 2 meeting to order, please. 3 (Thereupon, the pledge of allegiance 4 was recited.) 5 MR. ELIJAH: Mr. Clerk, may we do a 6 roll call, please? 7 MR. WALKER: Yes. Brice Sims? 8 (No response.) 9 MR. WALKER: Allen Elijah? 10 MR. ELIJAH: Present. 11 MR. WALKER: Angela Jones? 12 MS. JONES: Here. Let the record 13 show that Brice is out. 14 MR. ELIJAH: Mr. Sims is absent. As 15 chairman, I will chair this evening's meeting as 16 vice chairman. I'd like to call for the approval 17 of the minutes from June 1. May I have a motion, 18 please? 19 MS. JONES: I make a motion for 20 approval of the minutes for June 1. 21 MR. ELIJAH: A motion has been made. 22 And a call for the vote. 23 MR. WALKER: We'll have a vote for 24 the approval of the minutes. Allen Elijah? 25 MR. ELIJAH: Yes. 0003 1 MR. WALKER: Angela Jones? 2 MS. JONES: Yes. 3 MR. ELIJAH: Let the record reflect 4 the approval of the minutes for June 1, 2004. 5 Clerk's business. 6 MR. WALKER: We don't have any at 7 this time. 8 MR. ELIJAH: Mr. Bradley, is there 9 old business? 10 MR. BRADLEY: No need to address 11 this evening. 12 MR. ELIJAH: Okay. Thank you very 13 much. Subject of new business. Mr. Bradley, 14 there's a Resolution 04-12 for consideration. 15 Could you read that, please? 16 MR. BRADLEY: Yes. This is 17 Resolution 04-12 declaring a 1964 International 18 tanker as no longer needed for township purposes 19 and offering it for private sale in accordance 20 with Section 505.10 of the Ohio Revised Code. 21 MR. ELIJAH: And I guess this is a 22 piece of equipment that is out of commission? 23 MR. BRADLEY: Yes. I think Chief 24 Mann advised me it's been out two or three years 25 and sitting on a property. We've got a couple 0004 1 people inquiring about it. Did research and 2 found out if the board declares it less than 3 $2,500 in value, then we can get it out for 4 private sale. 5 MR. ELIJAH: Chief Mann, would you 6 like to clarify the nature of this just for 7 information purposes, please? 8 CHIEF MANN: This 1964 International 9 tanker has been sitting at Route 4 and Union for 10 about, I'd say, about eight or nine years. It's 11 been out of service and it's of no use to the 12 fire department, and I have had a couple of 13 inquiries about it and Robert checked to see what 14 we had to do in order to get rid of it. So if 15 the value is less than $2,500, we can do that. 16 Well, if it's not more than $2,500 -- so we're 17 saying if that is the case, then we would like to 18 get rid of it so that the -- wouldn't downgrade 19 the appearance of the firehouse. 20 MR. ELIJAH: Okay. Very good. I'd 21 like to move for a motion for the acceptance of 22 Resolution 04-12. 23 MS. JONES: I make a motion for 24 Resolution 04-12. 25 MR. ELIJAH: I second that. 0005 1 MR. WALKER: Ready for vote. Angela 2 Jones? 3 MS. JONES: Yes. 4 MR. WALKER: Allen Elijah? 5 MR. ELIJAH: I agree. Thank you 6 very much. It appears that we have a 7 presentation on the agenda this evening. Title: 8 The proposed use of Radcliff School. Is there 9 someone here to speak to this subject? Would you 10 please state your name for the record and your 11 address, please? 12 MR. WILLIAMS: Robert and Kecia 13 Williams, 2800 Liberty-Ellerton Road. My name is 14 Robert Williams. I live around the corner here 15 at 2800 Liberty-Ellerton Road, and my wife and I 16 have proposed to lease the Radcliff facility to 17 open a military academy. I'm 24 years in the 18 military and my wife is an instructor -- life 19 skills instructor and we'd like to open a 20 facility at that location in order to bring our 21 youth alternative educational options. My wife 22 will go into further detail about the facility. 23 MS. WILLIAMS: First of all, we are 24 looking at a partnership with the community. We 25 will not be the only ones in the building. We 0006 1 have a consortium. We are through the Fast 2 Forward Program through Sinclair Community 3 College, and we've developed a consortium of new 4 charter schools that will be opening for the 5 school year. Mr. Manuel back here in the back 6 will also be giving the presentation. We will be 7 sharing the building with him. We've already 8 presented this to the school board and they seem 9 to be behind us in this. 10 The first thing we'd like to do is 11 talk about the Radcliff building. We'd like 12 to -- we are in the process right now of going 13 through legalities to get the building either 14 leased or to get the building rented at this 15 point. And there will be two schools. One will 16 be the General Chappy James Leadership Academy. 17 We're a charter school that is based -- our focus 18 is at-risk and out-of-school youth. Currently, 19 there are 5,600 out-of-school youth. So that is 20 our focus and also at-risk children. Okay. 21 We'll be going through the ages of -- the grades 22 of 9 through 12 at this point, so we will buy a 23 high school and we are wanting to share the 24 facility. My husband and I will be jointly 25 running the facility. I'll be taking care of the 0007 1 academic portion and he'll be doing the military 2 portion. We have spoken with Wright-Patt and 3 with the Ohio Air National Guard in Springfield 4 and they will be joining forces with us to help 5 meet the needs of these students. We have to 6 speak an all around approach, and this day and 7 age students are not getting -- some students, 8 I'll put it that way, are not getting mentorship 9 from home. Their parents may be working, they 10 may only have one parent in the house because of 11 schedules. 12 So we have an all around approach. 13 We have an academic system. We have a life 14 skills segment that will take care of mentoring 15 and possible case management for students who are 16 having issues at home. It's hard for you to meet 17 the needs of a student when they have to go home 18 and there's no DP&L there, it's hard to meet the 19 students -- maybe going home and maybe dad's not 20 there, maybe mom's not there, all types of 21 different issues that are going on in the home 22 now-a-days and parents are not always there to 23 meet the needs of these children. So we have a 24 life skills person on hand. If they do not have 25 DP&L, if they cannot afford their DP&L, this 0008 1 person will be able to help guide them with 2 things that they need. 3 What we'd like to do is partnership 4 with the community, and we are not trying to take 5 students from Jefferson Township. That is the 6 last thing that we are trying to do. We are 7 looking for at-risk or out-of-school youth, 50 8 days or more out-of-school. Even though we're a 9 public school, our focus is out-of-school youth 10 and for at-risk children. We are trying to 11 partnership and come up with ways we may be able 12 to benefit the community, after hours programs 13 with the community, maybe adult education. 14 We will be currently putting in a 15 lab of 50 computers and the students will be 16 working on a flex schedule. Students will come 17 in in the morning from 8:30 to 11:30. They will 18 do academics and then they will have three hours 19 in the afternoon where they have to go to a 20 community service, they have to have employment 21 or some type of job. We would like for our 22 students to be able to work directly in our 23 community. If we could do tutoring programs with 24 the middle school or the elementary, anything 25 along those lines, we would like to partnership, 0009 1 even like cleaning up parks here in the area. 2 We have lived here in the community 3 all our lives and we are dedicated to helping to 4 better the situation for Jefferson Township. We 5 have no discrimination because we are a public 6 school so, therefore, we have to take all races, 7 all nationalities, all creeds, so we do not 8 discriminate on any basis whatsoever for the 9 school. There is one great thing that I like 10 about our school. We can accept students from 11 the ages of 14 to 21, so that gives overage 12 students a chance to come to the school without 13 embarrassment, work on their own -- on their own 14 pace without having the embarrassment of going to 15 a traditional school system where they may have 16 to stay an entire year to attain half a credit or 17 they have not finished school at all. Maybe they 18 have only finished to the 10th grade and they're 19 20 years old. We're giving those students an 20 opportunity to come back. 21 We don't really have a freshman and 22 a sophomore system. We have a credit system up 23 until 21 credits and that is when you graduate. 24 That class system is taken out and the students 25 have an opportunity to go into the classroom to 0010 1 do their work. And there is no embarrassment for 2 20-year-olds. I may have a child at home. I may 3 not be able to come to school all day long. What 4 we do, again, half days. We have 8:30 to 11:30 5 in the morning and then in the afternoon it would 6 be 12:30 to 3:30. On those hours students are 7 not attending schools. Those students have to be 8 in a vocation program. Students do work at their 9 own pace. 10 We are currently using the Play-Doh 11 system. It is a system that Sinclair went to. 12 Said, look, we need to do something different for 13 students. They want to get their degree. What 14 they did was they partnershipped with Play-Doh 15 and they came out with a curriculum that is state 16 approved. Our curriculum is on the computer and 17 it is state approved. They can gain up to ten 18 credits a year at our school. So that's one of 19 the things that is wonderful about our school. 20 Again, we are right now working with 21 the consortium of seven new schools that will be 22 opening in September. We are all in the final -- 23 very, very final last stages of getting our final 24 applications. All of us have been approved 25 preliminary-wise by the state and have been given 0011 1 the go-ahead and are now taking care of the 2 finalization process. As a matter of fact, we 3 were with our sponsor this afternoon finishing up 4 this process. We will all be working as a 5 consortium as far as strength and numbers and 6 sharing different things that will help bring a 7 building block and help this strengthen our unit 8 as a school consortium. 9 What we are also interested in is 10 good visibility for the township. We are part of 11 the Sinclair Fast Forward chain and so far there 12 are, I believe, 20 schools including ours that 13 will be coming on board that are part of that. I 14 don't know if you've heard of Mound Street 15 Academy. They are one of the schools that has 16 been rated one of the top-notch charter schools 17 in the country at this time. She's going around 18 giving national recognition about her model 19 program. We are based on the same type of 20 educational system but with different focuses. 21 Ours is the leadership and the military piece. 22 And I'll let my husband speak about that. 23 MR. WILLIAMS: What we're looking to 24 do with the military piece -- there are some 25 principles that the military can bring to some of 0012 1 these young folks, organizational skills, 2 leadership skills, about how to behave when you 3 go in an interview, things you need to learn as 4 far as discipline, some of our folks 5 unfortunately don't know how to be on time, some 6 of those basic things that the military really 7 instills in us. We're going to get a partnership 8 from the Ohio Air National Guard. That's in 9 Springfield, Ohio. Wright-Patterson is looking 10 at us as far as maybe donating computers and 11 things like that. We're looking at having those 12 folks invest, not just the equipment but time as 13 well. 14 It's helping us bring the township 15 back to where we were back when I graduated in 16 1976 where people thought about Jefferson 17 Township as the place to be. You all have some 18 good memories of those things. Getting some 19 national recognition and saying we're here in 20 Jefferson Township and we have a partnership with 21 the guys and we're really looking forward to 22 making that work. Have any questions about 23 anything? 24 MR. ELIJAH: I would just like to 25 say that I think the presentation was excellent, 0013 1 but I would love to get with you outside of this 2 particular forum. I've got some questions about 3 the relationship between the school board and the 4 academy and just how those dynamics come 5 together. And I think you mentioned that you 6 were accredited? 7 MR. WILLIAMS: Absolutely. Yes. 8 MS. WILLIAMS: Absolutely. You will 9 get a diploma from the General Chappy James 10 Leadership Academy. 11 MS. JONES: I think we just 12 initially talked when we were talking about 13 community things and changes happening in the 14 community that -- I was curious to what the 15 program was offering and as to if you could 16 address the board with that so they could also be 17 brought up-to-date that there is the possibility 18 of changes happening. I appreciate the 19 presentation. I don't know if the citizens do 20 have any questions or comments. If you would 21 share how they could contact you or how you'll be 22 giving more information as this thing moves 23 along, and I think from that point on you would 24 be dealing actually with the school board -- just 25 to allow everybody to know that there are 0014 1 possible changes happening out here. I 2 appreciate you coming. 3 MR. ELIJAH: And perhaps if you 4 could hang around after. 5 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I just have 6 one question. Is this program similar to the 7 Upward Bound program? 8 MS. WILLIAMS: Not quite Upward 9 Bound. Fast Forward is an integration of 10 Sinclair but they are particularly targeting just 11 the at-risk, just the out-of-school youth only. 12 Now, like I said, we are a public school, so we 13 must accept all, but we are focusing on our 14 out-of-school 50 days or more, and we're also 15 focusing on -- one good thing about us being with 16 Sinclair, once a student has graduated -- say 17 they may have problems or have a lack of funds to 18 go on. Because of the partnership, they can on 19 to Sinclair. They have actually worked out a 20 program where students can continue on with their 21 education. 22 MR. ELIJAH: And you mentioned that 23 you were also working with Mr. Manuel? 24 MR. WILLIAMS: Yes. 25 MR. ELIJAH: They will stay around. 0015 1 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: May I 2 comment? You have stated that the board is in 3 support of that. That is not true. We have not 4 made any decisions. I just wanted to clarify 5 that. 6 MS. WILLIAMS: Okay. Thank you. 7 Thank you for letting us know. 8 MR. MANUEL: Good evening. My name 9 is Mike Manuel. My address is 105 Horace Street 10 in Dayton. And I'd like to start by just passing 11 out some information to the board members. Mine 12 is in bullet form. When we discussed it before, 13 the first introduction to what we planned to 14 do -- and I've also just taken the liberty of 15 bringing some story boards along also so each 16 person can get a visual of what it is we're 17 discussing. Okay. 18 Also, what Kecia mentioned, we're 19 also a part of the Fast Forward program. And 20 what I'll do with these story boards, I'll 21 interchange them so everybody gets an opportunity 22 to see. I don't know if you can see from this 23 far away. We're a part of the Fast Forward 24 consortium with ninth through twelfth grade 25 career academy, and some of the points that we're 0016 1 looking at focusing on starting with is 2 construction, car design, Play-Doh for the 3 academic construction and proficiency test 4 preparation. 5 Dealing with construction, we have a 6 house that we built here in Jefferson Township 7 out of insulated concrete forms. We're looking 8 at being able to teach people how to build. You 9 see this story board here. If you travel down 10 Infirmary Road, you may have seen this house 11 during the time it was under construction. I 12 have to admit, it's not completed now because it 13 hasn't been tied into the sanitary system. So 14 that's one of the houses that we've done. We had 15 a relationship going on with the community for a 16 long time with teaching people how to build. We 17 had an eight-week evening class that taught them. 18 So that was kind of the foundation of moving 19 forward working with youth. 20 We do several programs with the 21 youth now for working with the Department of 22 Job & Family Services for youth works and we're 23 currently doing two projects with youth. I 24 believe that things are coming up in the future 25 with the schools that are going to be built. I 0017 1 used to work a lot with adults. I got to the 2 point where my patience -- and I wanted to start 3 working with youth a little bit more so we can 4 start making changes at an earlier stage. 5 So with these story boards, they 6 actually describe a process that we go through. 7 And not only building, but also there's an 8 academic side. It's important not for a person 9 to go out and just get a job but they need to 10 understand the reasons why. They need to 11 understand math, why they need to understand 12 physics. So we developed a process to teach 13 people how to be able to see the human body, for 14 instance, how it relates back to construction, so 15 just by thinking about the framing of that house 16 and relating it to the bones and the body. 17 Anybody can understand the electric system, 18 relating it back to the nervous system, plumbing 19 back to the circulatory system. We've had this 20 success using these methods. 21 Again, kicked out of school for 22 making a Columbine High School threat. The same 23 kid that was kicked out of school actually built 24 a house. It goes to show that the process still 25 works. As you can see here, there are some women 0018 1 that are out on the job site, never any 2 experience on construction at all, and here they 3 are actually working with framing up a house, 4 pouring concrete. So that's one of the 5 advantages of the type of technology that we're 6 using. And I'll switch these boards out. 7 The second part of technology that 8 we're using is automobile design. By trade, I'm 9 an engineer. I used to design cars at Honda, so 10 I had an opportunity to be able to travel to 11 Japan and do a few things that really prepared me 12 to be able to share things with people. 13 That's -- I switched the wrong one. I wanted to 14 be able to actually alter some opportunities for 15 our youth to understand the process of being able 16 to design cars now. The processes are the same 17 for designing cars as well as building houses. 18 Everything starts in the mind, starts with a 19 vision. The vision from the mind is put down on 20 paper, and then it's brought to a reality by 21 bringing it through a systematic process. These 22 are just teaching processes that we've tested and 23 they work. 24 Again, this is the foundation of 25 what we're teaching at our academy. The academic 0019 1 portion again is all done through Play-Doh, and 2 we do proficiency testing and preparation. And 3 part of our plan for coming here this evening is 4 to forge a relationship with Jefferson Township. 5 We're looking at not just coming in the 6 community, setting up and operating a school but 7 also do a partnership in the community. These 8 are things that we can actually provide some 9 opportunities for people to work in the 10 community. 11 I still do have a general 12 contractor's license and a construction company, 13 so we plan to keep those things operational as 14 well as a community development corporation. So 15 the whole name is Wright-Dunbar Technology 16 Academy. You may have some questions to that. 17 Jefferson Township is not Wright-Dunbar. What 18 happened, I had a building on West Third Street 19 and we were planning on opening our school there. 20 In the process of purchasing the building, the 21 building was contaminated with lead, mildew, 22 asbestos, formaldehyde. Instead of operating in 23 that building, we had to find another location. 24 We heard that everything was going to be shifting 25 with Radcliff. I talked with Kecia and the next 0020 1 thing I know, we're setting up a partnership to 2 occupy that building. 3 I did mention the at-risk and 4 out-of-school youth. We're going after the same 5 target, but we also had some people that saw what 6 we were doing and they expressed some interest. 7 The after school programs will basically be 8 twilight programs. So we don't just look at 9 having the school operational during the day. I 10 work with my church at Dixon United Methodist for 11 ex-offenders, so everybody needs to have an 12 opportunity to be able to work. If we can 13 provide a means for employment through training, 14 then we need to have a facility to do that. We 15 work with adults, homeowners, children, people 16 that are 50, 60 years old. We work with 17 everybody. So we're not just going to focus on 18 the youth. We're offering opportunities for the 19 community. Our plan right now is to go half 20 days, half day academics and half day out on the 21 job site or doing some type of work. 22 What I found out is a lot of our 23 kids are not just having problems in school. 24 Sometimes it's to the point where they're bright 25 and they're not challenged enough. I've talked 0021 1 to some other kids that are being able to take 2 these Xbox and computer games and design houses 3 and everything else that you would never believe 4 a kid would be able to sit down and do. They're 5 engaged. They're interested in it. So if you 6 can find what's interesting or someone -- a lot 7 of times they'll stay focused and engaged. 8 That's the whole point of the new technology. 9 Our curriculum is already approved 10 and we're already certified to provide this type 11 of education. I guess, that was really just to 12 give you a visual or to give you an idea of what 13 this is we plan on doing. With the cars, we're 14 actually designing the cars on the computer so a 15 kid could be able to visualize it in the mind, 16 put it down on the computer. So, again, it's 17 being able to visualize and be able to bring 18 something to reality coupled with learning. 19 Anyone have any questions? 20 MR. ELIJAH: I want to thank you. 21 The thing that I really can't stress enough is 22 the coordination of all these educational 23 efforts. And I take it that you would be 24 coordinating your activities with the Williams 25 and the Jefferson Township school board? 0022 1 MR. MANUEL: Yes. We're separate 2 schools but there's not like competition. 3 MR. ELIJAH: So you're not 4 affiliated in that respect? You said you're 5 separate entities? 6 MR. MANUEL: Yes, we are. 7 Wright-Dunbar Academy is a -- 8 MR. ELIJAH: You talked about the 9 Play-Doh piece. That's not related either? 10 MR. MANUEL: No. We found out 11 through the Fast Forward program and the new 12 schools that it come aboard that Play-Doh has the 13 best success rate for working with out-of-school 14 youth. We sat down and collaborated and came up 15 with the same decisions. 16 MR. ELIJAH: The association with 17 the Jefferson Township school board, they've 18 blessed the township? 19 MR. MANUEL: We had a presentation, 20 and the last time I talked with Dr. Brown I don't 21 think they had an official vote yet, but we're 22 waiting to hear. We got a favorable response 23 back and we're just waiting to hear for sure that 24 we can go ahead and move forward with it. 25 MR. ELIJAH: You would accept 0023 1 children from throughout the Greater Dayton Area? 2 MR. MANUEL: Sure. 3 MR. ELIJAH: Could you stick around, 4 too, afterwards and allow folks to maybe ask more 5 in-depth questions of you? 6 MR. MANUEL: Sure. 7 MR. ELIJAH: Thank you. 8 Mr. Bradley, I believe you have gotten a letter 9 requesting the use of Charles Richardson Park? 10 MR. BRADLEY: Yes. Bethsaida 11 Missionary Baptist Church would like to use the 12 facility August 21. That's the week before Crown 13 Point Days. 14 MS. JONES: The purpose? 15 MR. BRADLEY: I think she told me 16 they're having a step contest with all these kids 17 coming and doing sort of like a step contest, not 18 like for the colleges. That's their 19 entertainment. 20 MR. ELIJAH: When we do this, just 21 to question, do they have to carry their own 22 liability insurance? 23 MR. BRADLEY: Our coverage covers 24 any activity at the park. We require they pick 25 up the key the day before with a $20 deposit with 0024 1 the key. 2 MR. ELIJAH: Any authorized 3 activity? 4 MR. BRADLEY: Yes. That's the 5 purpose of coming. 6 MR. ELIJAH: Do we need a motion for 7 this? 8 MR. BRADLEY: I would say yes. 9 MS. JONES: I make a motion for them 10 to be able to use the park on 8-21-04 with the 11 understanding that we'll get the information 12 about the -- 13 MR. BRADLEY: Activity. 14 MS. JONES: The purpose of the use. 15 MR. ELIJAH: With that motion 16 modified, I'd like to second it. 17 MR. WALKER: Been seconded. Ready 18 for vote. Angela Jones? 19 MS. JONES: Yes. 20 MR. WALKER: Allen Elijah? 21 MR. ELIJAH: Yes. There is now a 22 need for the appointment of several volunteers to 23 the fire department. Chief, would you like to 24 speak on this, please? 25 CHIEF MANN: Yes. We have three 0025 1 individuals that have shown desires to become 2 volunteers in Jefferson Township. All of them 3 are EMTs. Two of them are going to go ahead and 4 take fire courses also, but the one young lady, 5 Julie Smith, she's only an EMT. So I've put a 6 request in for them to -- for you to approve for 7 them to become volunteers. 8 MR. ELIJAH: Okay. Are the 9 individuals here this evening? 10 CHIEF MANN: No, they are not. 11 MR. ELIJAH: Okay. May I have a 12 motion then for the acceptance of Tina Shepard 13 and Brandy Hall as volunteer fire and EMT and as 14 volunteer EMT, Miss Julie Smith? 15 MS. JONES: I make a motion. 16 MR. ELIJAH: I second that motion. 17 MR. WALKER: Ready for vote. Allen 18 Elijah? 19 MR. ELIJAH: I vote yes. 20 MR. WALKER: Angela Jones? 21 MS. JONES: Yes. 22 MR. ELIJAH: Thank you. It's nice 23 to know that people still have a desire to 24 undertake such a hazardous duty. I mean, I 25 realize that this is a difficult and strenuous 0026 1 thing to undertake, and I think your recruiting 2 efforts to bring people in and to get help in the 3 township is to be commended. 4 CHIEF MANN: Thank you. And one of 5 those young ladies does live in the township. 6 MR. ELIJAH: Who might that be? 7 CHIEF MANN: Shephard. 8 MR. ELIJAH: Shephard. Okay. Mr. 9 Bradley, department report. 10 MR. BRADLEY: Yes. They are 11 attached for everyone's review. 12 MR. ELIJAH: So everybody does have 13 a copy of that? 14 MR. BRADLEY: Yes. 15 MR. ELIJAH: No motion required for 16 the acceptance of the report? It's just 17 informational? 18 MR. BRADLEY: Yes. 19 MR. ELIJAH: Thank you. 20 MS. JONES: Wait a minute. 21 MR. ELIJAH: Okay. Trustees' 22 reports. Miss Jones, do you have anything to 23 report? 24 MS. JONES: No, I don't. 25 MR. ELIJAH: I would like to just 0027 1 kind of comment on the fact that I sit on a 2 county board, the Community Advisory Board, for 3 the Administration of Community Development block 4 grant funds, and as a result of a proposal that 5 was submitted to that board where the proposer 6 didn't follow through on certain aspects of their 7 proposal to the board, Jefferson Township and 8 Trotwood will be receiving an additional $50,000 9 to do Third Street streetscape developments and 10 that will be -- you'll notice that there will be 11 a lot of development going on on the Third Street 12 corridor here on the Jefferson Township side and 13 on the Trotwood side to do streetscape, upkeep, 14 grass cutting, flower planting, some things to 15 make our front door more appealing as we travel 16 through the township. And that's going to be 17 happening within the next 30 to 60 days, 18 Mr. Bradley? 19 MR. BRADLEY: Yes. 20 MR. ELIJAH: That was just a point 21 of information. We've gotten our hands on some 22 additional money through the county. Risk 23 management activities. 24 MR. BRADLEY: There were none for 25 the month of June. 0028 1 MR. ELIJAH: Now for citizens' 2 comments, please. 3 MR. BRADLEY: I have several. 4 Please excuse me. I have them not in any 5 specific order. 6 MR. ELIJAH: If I may, we would ask 7 that you keep your comments to three minutes in 8 the interest of time and everybody's time. And 9 if we need to stick around after the meeting to 10 talk and clarify and further develop some 11 comments, we'd be happy to do that. 12 MR. BRADLEY: Johnnie Kimberlin of 13 825 Creekside, like to address maintenance of 14 streets. 15 MR. KIMBERLIN: Good evening. I'm 16 Johnnie Kimberlin, 825 Creekside Street. I would 17 like to know if there's an agreement with the 18 city with Jefferson Township for the upkeep of 19 the streets. I noticed on Birdland and some of 20 the streets over there were blacktop and I would 21 like to know -- I'm on Creekside. I'm not in the 22 city, but the street belongs to the city. And I 23 would like to know if there's an agreement 24 somewhere. And if so, I'd like to know what they 25 plan to do. If not, what else could be done? 0029 1 MR. ELIJAH: There is no agreement 2 with the city. We have -- we have attempted to 3 try to coordinate street repairs and street 4 maintenance and street repaving with the city of 5 Dayton. It's not an easy thing to do. At this 6 point we're the tail trying to wag the dog. I 7 don't know, Miss Jones, if you want to comment on 8 this. 9 MS. JONES: No. Other than what you 10 said, we've tried to -- even with the snow 11 removal because, as you know, a lot of the 12 streets over there and parts of the streets are 13 the city of Dayton. We have issues with that 14 because Jefferson Township provides the snow 15 removal and all of the things in that area for 16 the city of Dayton. We've tried talking with 17 them several times and will continue to attempt 18 to see if we can get into some kind of a joint 19 agreement where they can assist or help us with 20 being able to maintain that, but ever since I've 21 been on the board and before then I know that 22 we've been the ones providing all of the services 23 over there. 24 MR. ELIJAH: That's a difficult nut 25 to crack. I've gone down to the city and talked 0030 1 to the people in public works, and what you get 2 back from the city now is that the city's budget 3 is scrap, we don't have money. We're saying we 4 would be willing to support and split the cost. 5 I mean, there's a maintenance schedule that we 6 would develop using township funds that we get 7 for street maintenance, but getting the city to 8 listen is a chore, and because we're so chopped 9 up -- I mean, I suffer from that on my street, I 10 think one or two houses on my street that's not 11 in the city of Dayton. And do you think they 12 listen to us? But that doesn't mean that we give 13 up. We think it makes sense. We think that 14 those residents that have chosen to annex into 15 the city of Dayton ought to be in concert with 16 us. They're paying city taxes and all those 17 things. 18 MS. JONES: That's one thing that a 19 lot of people over in that area don't know. I 20 know you know that, but a lot of the people there 21 do not know that Jefferson Township provides the 22 snow removal service in the street. They don't 23 know that. So I agree with him when it comes to 24 annexation and those types of things. I think 25 they're assuming a lot of times that the city of 0031 1 Dayton is doing that. So we're going to continue 2 to try to see if we can get some assistance 3 through the city of Dayton. 4 MR. KIMBERLIN: I wish you luck. 5 Thank you. 6 MR. ELIJAH: That's a tough one. 7 MR. BRADLEY: Next I have a Robert 8 L. Woodruff, 2293 Olt Road. He would like to 9 discuss drainage ditch and dumping on Olt Road. 10 MR. WOODRUFF: Good evening. We've 11 experienced a severe problem with people dumping 12 on the curves of Olt Road running between 13 Dayton-Farmersville and Derby. Jefferson 14 Township has kind of reacted somewhat to it. The 15 problem is not as severe as it used to be but, 16 nevertheless, the problem still exists. And I 17 would like to know, why can't we get some type of 18 surveillance installed or somebody would be 19 diligently in that area to kind of catch some of 20 these people that are doing that? 21 And, secondly, I have a drainage 22 problem in the front of my property. My 23 property's adjoined by -- I live at 2293 and my 24 property is adjoined by 2249. The drainage pipe 25 which is 15 inches under this lane that goes back 0032 1 to a farm is completely blocked. We've got 15 2 inches of solid dirt and mud, debris and 3 everything else, and it causes water to back up 4 onto my property for extended periods of time. 5 And I've approached the Jefferson Township Zoning 6 Board about this, and so far I haven't had any 7 response whatsoever. 8 MR. ELIJAH: Had you contacted 9 anybody from road and transportation that kind of 10 deals with that? 11 MR. WOODRUFF: No. I was never 12 specifically steered toward action that would 13 alleviate it. It was just kind of vague, well, 14 you should see this person, you should call that 15 person, which I did and it always led to a dead 16 end. 17 MR. ELIJAH: Okay. 18 MR. WOODRUFF: And so I would just 19 like to know when you have problems like the ones 20 I just cited, whom should we specifically see 21 that could take care of that because we all pay 22 taxes and we want, you know, results? 23 MR. ELIJAH: That gentleman sitting 24 right there at the end of the table, Mr. Robert 25 Bradley. 0033 1 MR. BRADLEY: Is this drainage ditch 2 on private property or along the roadway? 3 MR. WOODRUFF: It's along the 4 roadway. It's not a private ditch because if it 5 was, I would take care of it. It runs parallel 6 to the road. 7 MR. BRADLEY: That would be the west 8 side? 9 MR. WOODRUFF: It's on the west 10 side. 11 MR. BRADLEY: Got you. 12 MS. JONES: Mr. Bradley will get 13 back with you with information. What is your 14 phone number? 15 MR. WOODRUFF: My phone number is 16 835-3906. 17 MR. BRADLEY: Next, I have a 18 Mr. Raymond P. Martin of 1850 Olt Road. 19 MR. MARTIN: My name is Raymond 20 Martin and I'm basically having the same problem. 21 When it rains, the water is flowing over the 22 street, coming to my front door. We called back 23 in May and they said they would send somebody 24 back in two weeks. 25 MS. JONES: Who did you speak to? 0034 1 MR. MARTIN: It was Mr. Bradley. 2 Every time we call, they said we're going to send 3 somebody out. We called back in May. 4 MS. JONES: They will send somebody 5 else out. 6 MR. BRADLEY: Are you on the same 7 side of the street as he is? 8 MR. MARTIN: I'm on the east side. 9 MR. BRADLEY: We went out there and 10 did an elevation in that area to try to determine 11 why the water's collecting in the front yards. 12 Our determination is it is just six feet lower 13 than the roadway. 14 MR. MARTIN: There's a ditch there 15 that goes to a creek where the water's supposed 16 to go, not towards my front door. 17 MR. BRADLEY: That's an open ditch. 18 MR. MARTIN: Right. It's supposed 19 to be an open ditch. It's supposed to be dug out 20 to keep the water from coming to my front door. 21 It's coming off the top of the street and it's 22 running down our front yard and everything. So 23 if they'd just send someone out -- other than 24 that, we don't know who else to talk to. 25 MS. JONES: Just for clarification, 0035 1 what we'll do then is whatever the findings are 2 or whatever can actually happen after that, we'll 3 also send you something in writing so that you 4 will know that that's occurred and the 5 processing. 6 MR. BRADLEY: What is your phone 7 number? 8 MR. MARTIN: 835-8363. To let you 9 know, my wife and I went to Jefferson Township 10 school. We graduated from there. We moved to 11 the city for a while, got kids. We moved here 12 and we're here to stay. 13 MR. BRADLEY: Adonna Mobley, 14 Liberty-Ellerton Road. The sheriff department 15 and the way the youth are being stopped. 16 MS. JONES: You'll have three 17 minutes. And if you would refer to it in a 18 general sense. 19 MS. ADONNA MOBLEY: Sure. I'm 20 concerned with the way the sheriff department is 21 handling stops of youth. My son in March was 22 stopped and it's gotten so bad that this 23 particular officer -- we were able to secure his 24 personnel file evaluations, and you all have a 25 copy that hopefully you read. And, basically, 0036 1 he's a walking time bomb. I am, as a parent, 2 extremely terrified for my son to be driving 3 around in Jefferson Township because I'm afraid 4 that this particular officer is going to stop 5 him, maybe pistol whip him, anything, and I just 6 think that it's ridiculous. 7 We did -- my son and my husband did 8 file a complaint. There is an investigation 9 going on, but I'm just concerned that nothing is 10 being done and because, like I said, with the 11 stop they didn't find anything but he was cited 12 for not having on his seat belt, which he did. 13 The officer told him to unbuckle his seat belt 14 and get out of the car. But, again, if you look 15 at the evaluation, if you look at his personnel 16 files, you can see that there's a problem. And 17 I'm just concerned, you know. 18 I've been here in Jefferson Township 19 13 years. I don't plan on going anywhere. But 20 I'm talking about a kid who is going to college, 21 who's basically a good kid, and I don't 22 appreciate my son being stopped for backing up in 23 the neighbor's driveway to turn around, being 24 patted down, frisked, and then backup being 25 called. And I think that that's a problem. 0037 1 MS. JONES: Thank you. 2 MR. BRADLEY: Next, Robin Mobley of 3 1048 Maiden Place, sheriff department and 4 Jefferson Township Days. 5 MS. ROBIN MOBLEY: I'll be real 6 quick about it. I also have concerns in regards 7 to the sheriff department in Jefferson Township. 8 I am aware that we, as a township, contract with 9 the sheriff department. Not just because it was 10 my nephew, I filed a complaint before in regards 11 to an officer and it wasn't dealing with traffic 12 at all, just asking them to come and help because 13 someone sicked a dog on one of my kids. 14 I just want to let you know this. 15 Right here is the information just on one 16 officer. This makes the second one that I've had 17 to file a complaint on, and I think that it's 18 time out. As citizens, we should be able to go 19 out. If I stop, go through a stop sign, cite me. 20 But I shouldn't have to worry about if this 21 officer is going to write me up for something 22 different that I do, assault me in any type of 23 way. I just want to let you know there is a 24 great concern. And I hope, because we contract 25 with the sheriff department and it's some of my 0038 1 tax money, that you continue to look into this. 2 I'm pretty sure if you go down, you'll find more 3 than just this in regards to sheriffs that we 4 have riding around here. 5 My second thing is -- I do have a 6 question. I want to find out as far as the 7 Jefferson Township Days -- I hope that next year 8 there is a committee involved in the process of 9 Jefferson Township Days. I also want to find out 10 how many people attended Jefferson Township Days, 11 how much money did we generate for Jefferson 12 Township Days, and who makes the decision, is it 13 one person or trustees or a committee who makes 14 the decision about how the money is spent or 15 signing of the checks? Is there one person or 16 two? And my suggestion is there at least needs 17 to be two. And I would like to have a meeting 18 with the trustees of Jefferson Township and also 19 Mrs. Ruth Calhoun. 20 MR. BRADLEY: Next I have Miss Joan 21 Moore of 4749 Ericson Avenue, trash in front of 22 my home. 23 MS. MOORE: Right. My complaint is, 24 I would like to know who is responsible for the 25 rental properties when the people move out and 0039 1 stack all the trash and garbage on the side of 2 the street. 3 MS. JONES: Property owners. Who's 4 responsible? 5 MS. MOORE: Yes, in front of my 6 home. People moved out last Monday. Mattresses, 7 chairs, garbage, all is right out in front of my 8 house, and it's going to be just like Xenia with 9 rats. I called Mr. Bradley this morning. He 10 said he was going to see about it. Nobody did. 11 I called the health department. And Verne 12 Fortson knows that it's there because she passed 13 there Tuesday, last Tuesday. 14 MS. JONES: So you just didn't give 15 us notification this morning? 16 MS. MOORE: I called this morning. 17 After they didn't call Saturday I thought, well,I 18 better get on it. So that's the reason I called 19 him this morning, but Verne knows it's out there 20 because she passed there Tuesday, stopped and 21 looked at it and kept going. And I'm the only 22 person that walks out and looks at it. 23 MS. JONES: And the property is 24 vacant now? 25 MS. MOORE: Yes. 0040 1 MS. JONES: So are you here asking 2 if something has been done? 3 MS. MOORE: If somebody will move 4 it. 5 MS. JONES: It's going to be moved 6 on Thursday. They've already made arrangements 7 to move it on Thursday. Well, if he just got the 8 call today, then to have it moved on Thursday is 9 a pretty quick process. 10 MS. MOORE: I want to know who's 11 responsible when somebody vacates a house like 12 that and leaves the stuff on the street. 13 MR. ELIJAH: They're supposed to. 14 MS. MOORE: Are they supposed to 15 move it? 16 MS. JONES: The property owner 17 should be maintaining. However, there is a 18 process in zoning. 19 MS. MOORE: It seems to me they can 20 cite the owner. 21 MS. JONES: We can cite the owner. 22 MS. MOORE: Every time somebody 23 moves out of there I have the same complaint. 24 MS. JONES: You can cite the owner. 25 It can't happen today. 0041 1 MR. BRADLEY: Next I have a Matinda 2 Metcalf. Is it Matinda? 3 MS. METCALF: Yes. Excuse me for 4 sitting down, but I kind of have problems 5 standing a long time. Anyway, I'm complaining 6 about -- I live on Gleason. I left words with 7 Miss Jones to have a lady to please come and cut 8 that lawn in front of me. You know where it is. 9 There's a lot of empty houses on our street now, 10 and the kids are breaking out the windows and 11 it's really looking bad. I told you that about a 12 week ago how bad it was. She bought that land 13 and still she won't come and cut it and clean it 14 off. Deer come up in my yard. It's terrible. 15 MS. JONES: Yeah. Some of the ones 16 we do try to maintain. And I don't mean this in 17 any disrespect, but we do a lot of services out 18 here, our road department, with maintaining 19 private property, which is the property owner. 20 What you do with that is you have to notify them. 21 You have to give the property owner so much 22 notification that if they don't do it, then you 23 will do it, because you can't just step on 24 people's property and remove things that you are 25 assuming is rubbage and they say that it's 0042 1 something that is valuable to them. Then our 2 road department does the cutting, and it's a lot 3 of lawns that they maintain out here which is 4 private property. 5 MS. METCALF: They never do that 6 one. 7 MS. JONES: The first thing that 8 probably has to happen with that, and we will 9 look at it again, but it is against the law for 10 us to just go on to someone's property and to do 11 things without notifying them that those things 12 are going to be done simply because we add that 13 on to their property taxes. So you can't come in 14 today and say a yard needs to be cut and in a 15 week's time we be able to do that unless we can 16 contact that person immediately or something. 17 But a notice is supposed to be sent seven days 18 prior to -- they have to receive that, have the 19 opportunity to come back. If we were going and 20 moving trash and we find out that was not trash 21 in that bag, then the township becomes liable. I 22 don't know. 23 I did get your message, and that 24 information was given to one of our staff 25 persons. I have to check and see if the process 0043 1 has begun. If it has, then the same as we've 2 tried to maintain the other yards, we will do 3 that. However, our road department cannot get 4 into the business of keeping people's yards cut. 5 We just have to continue to cite them and cite 6 them and cite them. Zoning really isn't in favor 7 of Jefferson Township. We don't have a lot of 8 teeth with that other than saying you're going to 9 do it and continue the citations. Once we get to 10 that point, we'll start cutting and charge them. 11 So we'll look at it again and, 12 hopefully, we can get it in order. I need to 13 see. I don't know. I didn't check back on it to 14 see if the process has started on that. I think 15 with the breaking of the windows and stuff you 16 should notify the sheriff department that those 17 things are occurring because that, too, is 18 against the law and they would be the ones 19 handling that. Maybe it's some kids or 20 something, but you need to let the sheriff's 21 department know that that's what's going on over 22 there. So you call them and you say that these 23 kids continually break these windows out here. 24 And I'll get back with you or have Mr. Bradley 25 get back with you. I think we might have started 0044 1 the paperwork on that, but I'm not sure. 2 MR. BRADLEY: Finally, Miss Rose 3 Slaughter of 5257 Dayton-Liberty Road. She would 4 like to address what was the dollar amount raised 5 at Jefferson Township Days and how it will be 6 spent. 7 MS. SLAUGHTER: I thought since 8 Mrs. Mobley asked the question -- I didn't hear 9 the answer, the attendance for Jefferson Township 10 Days. Is there a total number in attendance for 11 that? 12 MS. JONES: We have not met -- not 13 to cut you off. We're not going to be able to 14 answer any of your questions. We have not met 15 officially with the chairperson of Jefferson 16 Township Days yet. It usually takes her a while 17 after the event to get all of her information 18 together. The first thing she does is presents 19 it to the board of trustees. And then that 20 information will be together for the community. 21 But in between there is also a break and there is 22 time after all that work to put all that 23 information together. 24 MS. SLAUGHTER: There was a total 25 count announced on the radio. Where did they get 0045 1 that information? 2 MS. JONES: What had happened with 3 that was there were two gentleman at the event 4 that do site stats, or whatever they call it, to 5 see how many people are there. And they had 6 estimated, I think, it was just on Saturday alone 7 that there was 30,000. 8 MS. SLAUGHTER: That's not accurate 9 is what you're saying? 10 MS. JONES: No, it isn't accurate. 11 They also said this was the largest event that 12 had happened in Dayton. All these events was 13 going on, so we had an enormous turnout, but we 14 don't have the accurate information on any of 15 that. 16 MS. SLAUGHTER: So will I be 17 contacted? 18 MR. ELIJAH: It will be forthcoming. 19 MS. ADONNA MOBLEY: I have a 20 question. Since nobody gave me an answer, is 21 anything going to be done with the sheriff's 22 department because I am concerned. This guy is 23 really just a time bomb waiting to explode. So I 24 think they need to move him somewhere else or -- 25 I do know that other complaints have been filed. 0046 1 So I'm like everybody else, I want to know what's 2 going to be done. 3 MS. JONES: I don't know. Jefferson 4 Township Board of Trustees do not discipline or 5 do any of those things with the sheriff's 6 department. There is a protocol and there is a 7 due process that you have to go through with the 8 sheriff's department. So if you're asking the 9 board of trustees to take action on a sheriff -- 10 MS ADONNA MOBLEY: I'm not saying 11 that. I'm saying if we contract with the 12 sheriff's department, maybe we need to look at 13 contracting with someone else, I mean, because 14 I've heard other parents complain about this same 15 person harassing their kids. And when you have 16 two witnesses that are sitting there when this 17 particular person is harassing my son and saying 18 your son did have a seat belt on, you know, there 19 was no reason for him to be handled like that. 20 That's all I'm saying. 21 MR. ELIJAH: You mentioned that you 22 have filed a complaint. 23 MS. ADONNA MOBLEY: Yeah. We filed 24 a complaint and have to go to court tomorrow for 25 a seat belt violation when he had a seat belt on. 0047 1 And he tells my son, you're making me nervous, 2 and calls for backup. 3 MR. ELIJAH: What has resulted as a 4 result of your filing a complaint? 5 MS. ADONNA MOBLEY: They're doing an 6 internal investigation. The detective that's 7 investigating said he's had complaints before. 8 Captain Turner wrote him up. He's been 9 reprimanded. But I'm just saying it's a problem 10 and I'm scared for my child. I don't know about 11 everybody else, but we live here. It's to the 12 point where you're scared for your kids to go off 13 to their friend's house because this guy's riding 14 around with an attitude. It's a problem. 15 MS. JONES: I think that -- and I've 16 been doing this now for six years, going on seven 17 years, and one of the things that I know the 18 community was really pleased about -- and not 19 saying that there is not a problem or there is a 20 problem. I don't know. As a whole though the 21 community -- and when I say the community, we try 22 not to limit it to three or four people being 23 here and saying one thing -- but as a whole, how 24 the community responds to something. We 25 contracted with the sheriff's department is a 0048 1 positive thing. The community thus far has not 2 brought anything to the board. 3 As a matter of fact, periodically in 4 our minutes we have that they are still very 5 pleased. Now, there could be a problem with a 6 certain area or a certain person, but at this 7 time I would not consider -- because the 8 community wanted this -- they said they wanted us 9 to go from Jefferson Township Police Department, 10 which there was constant gripes and concerns and 11 problems, to contracting with the sheriff's 12 department. And the people in leadership then 13 decided to do that with the support of the 14 community. 15 So I think we're talking apples and 16 oranges when you talk about us contracting with 17 someone where the community says as a whole 18 they're pleased with. As far as authority, we do 19 not have that type of authority to discipline or 20 to get into an investigation process, and that's 21 why in the beginning I said if you could limit 22 those names and that kind of stuff because this 23 is public record and my understanding is it's 24 still being looked into. 25 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Do you mean 0049 1 the community had a vote for the sheriff's 2 department? You said the trustees. 3 MS. JONES: I said the community is 4 involved and the trustees who were in leadership 5 then made those decisions based on input that 6 they had from the community, and that's when I 7 was coming to the meeting and the rooms would 8 constantly be filled because people were 9 disgruntled with the Jefferson Township Police 10 Department, and at that time they considered 11 contracting with the sheriff's department. And 12 the community responded. And when I talk 13 representation -- again, when I sit and say the 14 community, I do not mean people who sit in a room 15 and fill it. And that was a major -- you know 16 that. It was a major -- 17 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I haven't had 18 any complaints because I like for them to be 19 visible. 20 MS. JONES: Our board's input is 21 that they're pleased with the services. I'm not 22 discounting anything you're saying. And even if 23 there was something that we could do, the whole 24 due process of what has to happen first has to 25 happen, and my understanding is that we're not 0050 1 even there. 2 MR. ELIJAH: It's in the process. 3 It sounds like you filed complaints and the 4 appropriate people know and the process has 5 started. 6 MS. ADONNA MOBLEY: Uh-huh. But I'm 7 not the only one that has filed complaints. 8 MR. ELIJAH: Which is a good thing, 9 I imagine. 10 MS. ADONNA MOBLEY: I just have 11 something I wanted to say. I know I didn't use 12 up my three minutes. When you mentioned about 13 the reports -- and we haven't received any 14 reports like everything has been favorable on the 15 report -- that you have here from the sheriff's 16 department, it has like the arrests and 17 everything like that. Do they ever submit to you 18 the report of complaints? Do they ever submit -- 19 and the sheriff is here. How many reports do 20 they get a day of complaints? That's not on 21 here. They have everything else on here, but the 22 concern we have is like the complaints -- because 23 you said is favorable. What about the complaints 24 that they get? 25 MS. JONES: As far as I know, and I 0051 1 know that the police chief and Mr. Bradley, all 2 of them, all the way back to the five before 3 that, are constantly in the office and constantly 4 have dialog with Mr. Bradley. The only time that 5 I may ask about something -- and I don't for 6 simple reasons -- for the simple reason that a 7 lot of information is personal information and I 8 don't want to use my position and say what 9 happened over at his house yesterday and was 10 there a complaint because there are some 11 legalities to the whole HIPA thing that you don't 12 want to get into with giving personal 13 information. Just because I'm a trustee that 14 information -- 15 MS. ROBIN MOBLEY: This is public 16 record. Anybody can go down there and get this. 17 MS. JONES: Have we requested that 18 on a regular basis? No, we have not. 19 MS. ROBIN MOBLEY: I sat there and I 20 said what I had to say. Nobody answered and 21 nobody responded. As a citizen, when I give a 22 pack of information on one person and not get a 23 response on what's going to happen or if you've 24 met with the sheriff's department and what are 25 they saying to even make us feel better? I'm 0052 1 concerned about not just children, but anybody 2 getting pulled over and their side and our side. 3 They're here and nobody's saying anything, and I 4 just want to know. I gave this stuff to you guys 5 a while ago and I've been in contact with maybe 6 one or two. But as a citizen, I need to know 7 because it's my tax money that's being used to 8 contract with the sheriff's department. So I 9 need to know, what are we saying to them about 10 the complaints and stuff that we have? 11 MS. JONES: I understand. I know of 12 two complaints, but I understand your point. 13 CAPTAIN COPHER: If you'd like, I 14 can address some of those concerns. 15 MS. JONES: What I don't want is I 16 don't want this meeting to become a meeting that 17 probably should be discussed outside of this 18 forum. 19 MS. ROBIN MOBLEY: Well, I've 20 asked -- 21 MS. JONES: That's what I don't 22 want. If there is some clarification that you'd 23 like to give, then you're welcome to do that. 24 I'm sorry. 25 MR. ELIJAH: I concur. What we're 0053 1 talking about is a matter of public record to two 2 citizens who want specific information. I would 3 much rather that that not be a part of this 4 forum. 5 MAJOR COPHER: Can I give some 6 general information? I think we were accredited 7 back in 1985, one of the first sheriff's offices 8 in the country to do that. We have continued to 9 meet our accreditation up until 2002. I think 10 the last accreditation is good until 2005. They 11 set down certain rules that we have to go by to 12 do certain investigations. If it's found to be 13 an unfounded complaint or a founded complaint or 14 if the person has some improper actions, it's not 15 particular to the sheriff's office. It's 16 nationwide police department. 17 There's nothing you can -- nothing 18 the sheriff can do to do away with certain rights 19 that the policemen have or even regular employees 20 from any business or government entity. We 21 follow those rules and that investigation is in 22 process right now. It will probably be concluded 23 in the next week or so. I know I've been 24 contacted by a couple trustees in regards to 25 this, and I can assure them that everything's 0054 1 being done above board. As far as complaints 2 last year, I would have to look and see. I know 3 we've had maybe three since I've been out there 4 the first part of the year. I'm not counting 5 complaints where I see somebody do something 6 wrong, an officer, and discipline them myself. 7 And I probably discipline more than anybody out 8 there because I want it to be professional. 9 But if you have some of that packet 10 that you'd like me to explain or look at, that's 11 fine. I know in your complaint you listed one 12 witness. And if you have a second one, that 13 would -- is there a second witness to that 14 traffic stop? 15 MS. ADONNA MOBLEY: It was me. I 16 came up the street. 17 MAJOR COPHER: I just want to make 18 sure everybody was contacted. If there was a 19 second one -- 20 MS. ADONNA MOBLEY: Thank you very 21 much. 22 MR. ELIJAH: Thank you. 23 MAJOR COPHER: If anyone here has 24 any questions about anything any time, I'll give 25 my business card and feel free to call me, 0055 1 absolutely. 2 MR. ELIJAH: Thank you very much. 3 I'd like to call for an adjournment. 4 MR. BRADLEY: Second. 5 MS. JONES: I second. 6 MR. ELIJAH: Thank you. 7 (Thereupon, the meeting was 8 concluded at 8:10 o'clock p.m.) 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 0056 1 STATE OF OHIO ) 2 COUNTY OF MONTGOMERY ) SS: CERTIFICATE 3 I, Stacey L. Kimmel, a Notary Public 4 within and for the State of Ohio, duly 5 commissioned and qualified, 6 DO HEREBY CERTIFY that the above-named 7 meeting was reduced to writing by me 8 stenographically in the presence of the parties 9 and thereafter reduced to typewriting. 10 I FURTHER CERTIFY that I am not a 11 relative or Attorney of either party nor in any 12 manner interested in the event of this action. 13 IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set 14 my hand and seal of office at Dayton, Ohio, on 15 this _ _ _ day of _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _, 2004. 16 17 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ STACEY L. KIMMEL 18 NOTARY PUBLIC, STATE OF OHIO My commission expires 6-10-2006 19 20 21 22 23 24 25